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Egemen Pamukcu's avatar

I'm really curious about the psychology of this mindset. It's just fascinating to me that the prevalent progressive stance on environmentalism is pro human extinction. People who (I believe authentically) care the most about marginalized groups are the first to send entire human race down the drain. My initial thought is that it's an attempt at signaling a kind of moral erudition and magnanimity, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

I also have the feeling that this is the secular remnants of a religious mindset: belief in a sort of teleology in nature. If only humans left it alone, the planet would thrive and reach its predestined goal. Someone was looking after us by providing us with this bountiful earth, and we just chose to ruin it for our greed -- for this, we must suffer. We should cease our existence for things to return to their natural order, just as it was intended. Yet, of course, there is no greater intention behind any of this. And any trade off should give proper weight to human flourishing.

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Richard Y Chappell's avatar

Great post! Though - if you'll excuse the nitpick - I don't think our limited power implies that "We shouldn’t care as much about the next millennium as we do about next Tuesday."

Distinguish fundamental concerns vs instrumental focus. We shouldn't bother *focusing* much attention on problems that we can't change. But that's not the same as *not caring* about the problem.

As a test case: suppose an evil demon credibly offered to give you a lollipop in exchange for his getting to torture people millennia hence. Temporal discounting (given a sufficiently distant time) implies that you should accept the demon's deal: far distant people *aren't worth caring about*, on that view. But that's insane. Obviously those far future people matter, and given an unexpected opportunity to affect their interests, you should not discount them. It's just that it isn't usually worth *attending* to far future people, insofar as we doubt our ability to reliably affect their interests.

It isn't plausible that the demon's deal should change our values or *what we care about*. But it's perfectly reasonable for an unexpected option to change *what we should attend to*, "activating" or making salient certain values that were previously "dormant" for reasons of practical irrelevance.

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